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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Please check with the folks, sons of Hussein, that took control of Iraq (check the spelling) with the assistance of more brits...they are also the ones that said Palestine could be forgotten as the smells that emanated from there were not to be tolerated (their words not mine)...history is an important teacher if we will only listen.

This post was modified by William Tell on 2009-09-19 02:30:23

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 18, 2009 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Euh, W.T.,i thought both sons of Hussein died not long after their father ,and his daughter being a refugiee outside Iraq for many years already ? Not a fan of that clan ,myself !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

"We Arabs... look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organisation to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home... I look forward, and my people with me look forward, to a future in which we will help you and you will help us, so that the countries in which we are mutually interested may once again take their places in the community of the civilised peoples of the world."

That is a quote from one of the four brothers, the one that ruled Iraq first, 22 to 33 or so...the others were: Ali, who briefly succeeded to the throne of Hejaz before its loss to the Saud family; Abdullah, later became the king of Transjordan, and whose descendants rule the kingdom, that has been known ever since as the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan; Faisal, was briefly proclaimed King of Syria, and ended up becoming King of Iraq; and Prince Zeid...

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 19, 2009 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Are you saying ,William Tell ,that saddam hussein 's family clan rules in Jordany ,and whatever else ? I never heard any of this before . Are we here talking of the same Hussein ? What I heard was saddam hussein overthrew the Iraqigoverment because he was a communist and didn't agree with monarchy for his country .I still think we are not talking of the same hussein here ,but if you confirm then ,i'll take your word for it , as i won't bother about hussein nor mohammed another minute !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 19, 2009 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Nope; no relationship...was just pointing out how complex the whole mess is, and that originally, arabs supported recognition of a Zionist homeland while they were busy dividing up the spoils of the mideast with the help of the brits, etc., etc.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 20, 2009 3:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

"Dividing the spoils of the mid East ",you say, W.Tell ? What was left of the ottoman empire ?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2009 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Yep; and expanding from each of their original homelands...would be like what "we" did while moving west in the 1800s, after kicking the French out...hmmm, maybe we bought them off? Purchase of some kind, but you get the idea. Most would say the Hejaz had more rights than the others, but they were basically a clannish sort (hmmm, have times changed?).

Here's the trivia: who said they are "...a silly little people...barbarous and cruel..."? Auda abu tey defended him regularly, but he fig'd he was refering to Fasial when he said it.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Sep 19, 2009 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

But were the Arabs really sincere w/ that proposal? I'm thinking that once the idea of a Jewish nation in the heart of Palastine came to fruition in 1947 that they (the Jews) no longer had the support of any Arab kingdom.
If I'm to understand the qoute it never mentions an Israel,so once the Jewish nation was established through the war in 47 all that "goowill went out the window. Then w/ attemts to expand to the Siani (sic?) and Gaza was when things really went to hell (metaphoriclly speaking of course) What a crazy world full of double-talking monarchs and Politicans

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 19, 2009 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

You are right, H, that by 49, times had changed, but really the point in 1919 is that the House of Hussein "got theirs" and were more than happy to drop Palestine into the Dead Sea...no real "arabs" coulda given a rats ass about that area...they wanted the oil rich areas. Now, that's not to say they didn't change their minds later, but just goes to show there ain't no arabs/palestinians with first rights on who's been wronged, etc. If anything, the Palestinians have a much bigger bone to pick with their treatment by their own "arab" neighbors...esp with respect to the plight of refugees...

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Sep 19, 2009 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Amen to plight of of the Palestinians. I need to read up on this more. Now that Iran is threatning again I think our options in the area are few. Then you have the N. Korea Debacle
I just wish the water table wasn't so high on my property otherwise I'd already have a kick-ass bomb shelter.
Thank you for your response and and God willing we'll all be here to post again tommorrow.
Peace